PRISONER SWAP TALKS: Russia confirmed for the first time that Washington and Moscow are in talks to swap prisoners, The Washington Post's ROBYN DIXON reported. Russian Foreign Ministry spokesperson IVAN NECHAYEV said the negotiations were happening in the channel started by President JOE BIDEN and Russian President VLADIMIR PUTIN in their Geneva summit last year. "Instructions were given to authorized structures to carry out negotiations," he told journalists in Moscow. "They are being conducted by competent authorities." That might raise expectations that American hostages BRITTNEY GRINER and PAUL WHELAN will eventually come home, possibly with Russian arms dealer VIKTOR BOUT headed the other direction. 'GRADUALLY SQUEEZE THEM OUT': Ukrainian troops are staging outside of Kherson in hopes of retaking the city and boosting Kyiv's chances of preventing Russia's seizure of the south. "Russia has responded by strengthening its presence in and around Kherson, potentially readying for large-scale battles," The Wall Street Journal's DANIEL MICHAELS and JAMES MARSON reported. "Around Kherson, Ukraine won't engage Russian forces head-on, said MYKHAILO PODOLYAK, a Ukrainian presidential adviser. Instead, Kyiv's forces are chipping away at Russian might in the region, he said, inflicting 'a thousand bee stings.'" "You grind down and destroy enemy personnel and vehicles," Podolyak told the WSJ. "You gradually squeeze them out." That's easier said than done, per the WSJ: "Military analysts say that to eject troops from an established position, such as Russia's in Kherson, attackers generally need at least three times as many forces as the defenders, and the ratio can reach five-to-one for urban warfare." However, Russia is struggling to replenish troops in Ukraine, per The Associated Press , which could make Kyiv's ask just a little easier. U.S. AND SYRIA IN TALKS OVER TICE: The Biden administration has been in direct contact with Syrian officials over the return of AUSTIN TICE , who was abducted at a checkpoint southwest of Damascus on Aug. 12, 2012. The last face-to-face U.S.-Syria interaction was in January, McClatchy's MICHAEL WILNER reported. Biden informed Tice's parents about the push to bring their son home during a May 2 meeting in the Oval Office. "The president described to the family a burgeoning Syria policy he thought could provide an opening for Assad to engage on Tice, noting recent U.S. sanctions relief on entities in northern Syria. But nothing had led to a breakthrough so far," Wilner wrote. "I just don't know what else to do," Biden said, leaning back in his chair. "In the weeks after the Tices' Oval Office meeting, Syrian and U.S. officials exchanged phone calls, letters and emails, and the Syrians put questions to the Americans on what talks would look like," per Wilner. In 2016, the U.S. government said it had "high confidence" that Tice was alive. SWEDEN'S AMB ON NATO SIGNING CEREMONY: NatSec Daily reported Wednesday about what it was like being at the White House signing ceremony of the Senate's ratification of Sweden and Finland's accession to NATO . We quoted Finnish Ambassador to the U.S. MIKKO HAUTALA throughout and asked his Swedish counterpart, KARIN OLOFSDOTTER to comment, but we never heard back from her. But there was a good reason: She was traveling back to Sweden and didn't see our request in time. Once she saw our request, she emailed us her thoughts on being at the historic event. "I personally was very proud and moved by the great support from the administration and the Senate as well as the House," she wrote. "I really believe our Nato membership besides us being allied in the organisation also strengthens the bilateral relationship between Sweden and the United States. Russia's brutal unprovoked attack on a sovereign country in our neighbourhood changed everything." IT'S THURSDAY: Thanks for tuning in to NatSec Daily. This space is reserved for the top U.S. and foreign officials, the lawmakers, the lobbyists, the experts and the people like you who care about how the natsec sausage gets made. Aim your tips and comments at award@politico.com , and follow me on Twitter at @alexbward . While you're at it, follow the rest of POLITICO's national security team: @nahaltoosi , @woodruffbets , @politicoryan , @PhelimKine , @ChristopherJM , @BryanDBender , @laraseligman , @connorobrienNH , @paulmcleary , @leehudson , @AndrewDesiderio and @magmill95 — plus our summer interns, @Lawrence_Ukenye and @nicolle_liu .
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