MUNICH SECURITY CONFERENCE PREVIEW — CHRISTOPH HEUSGEN INTERVIEW Vice President Harris and a U.S. congressional delegation will be the headline acts alongside a delegation of Chinese officials. They’re joined by “more than 45 heads of states and government,” according to organizers, plus more than 50 foreign ministers and 30 defense ministers. Ryan spoke to Ambassador Heusgen, a former German ambassador to the United Nations, via video. The text has been lightly edited for length and clarity. You’re in the final stage of Munich Security Conference preparations, your first time in charge: What's top of your mind? It will be a year after the aggression of Russia against Ukraine. Where do we stand? Where do we go from here? In Munich, the real action often happens off the stage: Same again this year? We want to keep it in a format which allows — in the premises of this hotel and the surrounding buildings — to have real interchange. So there is limited audience participation, but participants will run into each other. We provide a series of smaller and bigger rooms for bilaterals and smaller meetings, to work together on a problem or project. We will also apply the so-called "Munich rule," which means that we have people on podiums discussing with each other; they have to engage and interact with each other and not just preach: Don’t lecture or ignore one another. Day one will have a European focus, but day two is new: the Global South focus… The theme is accountability: accountability for war crimes, for crimes against humanity, for the crime of aggression. It is not focused exclusively on Ukraine, but we stand for a rules-based international order, so we will focus of course on the question of Putin’s responsibility. This is not a continuation of an East-West conflict, or of NATO against Russia. No, it's a breach of international law and something that affects the whole world. We have the prosecutor general of the International Criminal Court, but we also will have others. Representatives from the Global South will show that the challenges that we face, whether it’s climate change or health, can only be tackled on a global basis. Is there anyone who's off-limits this year? It’s a huge challenge. We want to have all actors there, but there are three countries we have excluded: Russia, Iran, North Korea. We didn’t invite official representatives of Russia because we don't want the Munich Security Conference to serve as a podium for Russian propaganda. Iran was always a challenge by denying the right of existence of Israel, and violating international law by going into the direction of a nuclear weapon. When the nuclear agreement was being negotiated, my predecessor always chose to invite [them], but now after violations of international law and the brutal attack of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards and police against their own population, weno longer have any standing invitations forIran. Where will we be on the Ukraine heavy weapons deliveries issue by the time of the conference? I cannot put on the agenda Germany-bashing for not moving fast. But we are in for the long haul. We are in this together. Ukraine is defending NATO member states, Europe, freedom and liberty. This will then maybe serve as a catalyst for future decisions to happen a bit faster. We will have a very strong U.S. executive and legislative delegation, German, Ukrainian and European participation. Does Republican control of the U.S. House of Representatives affect your “trans-Atlantic to-do list?” We sometimes read about Republicans being reluctant to allow the government to continue its spending to support Ukraine. We also had the famous withdrawn letter of the left-wing Democrats. So, now we want to see Republicans in the codel confirm the positions (taken in the past) by John McCain, Lindsey Graham. We asked them also to bring some of the new senators or new members of the house so maybe we can help to actually brush this off a bit. What risks are people underestimating as we look forward this year, and five years ahead? China is watching very carefully what happens with Ukraine. And we have heard what President Xi said in his speech at the 20th Party Congress: We will take over Taiwan, and if need be, we will use military means. So we don't have to guess, it was very clear. At the same time, I'm very happy that the Chinese agreed to attend Munich and that we keep them in discussions. Let’s see if we can’t find some common ground zone for foreign policy. We are addressing another challenge directly by inviting the Global South. The Russians and the Chinese are trying to spread different narratives, and we want to convince people that the rules-based international order, the U.N. charter, is what everybody should be after. The final challenge is more difficult: the question of resilience. I do think that Putin continues to believe that we Europeans are decadent. He thinks that he is more resilient than we are. And they put their money on a new Republican government in a couple of years, where maybe Ukraine is not on top of the agenda, or the budget.
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