What do you want Californians to understand about the Reparations Task Force’s final report? That it is very detailed and speaks to who we are as a country. We wouldn't be where we are today as a state and as a nation if it wasn't for slavery. The vestiges and remnants of slavery still impact everything that we do: How we deal with housing, education, the criminal justice system is all a reflection of how we've viewed people of African heritage. The report speaks to a lot of truth that people are still in denial about or never wanted to recognize. And the cash payments? I think focusing on cash is a distraction. This country doesn't have enough money to fully compensate descendants of chattel slavery. You really can't put a dollar amount on 250 years of free labor and over 4 million African slaves. Whatever dollar amount we affixed to it will never be just compensation. If we were going to concentrate on a dollar amount, I would first start at the wealth gap between Blacks and whites, and every leading economist in this country has stated that's at about $360,000. That would be the floor of where the discussion starts. Anything that we can put on top of that would be icing on the cake. Reparations are not a gift, and it's surely not a handout. It's something that is owed, and that was promised to descendants of slavery. If cash payments are a distraction, what task force proposals will you focus on legislating? I would try to package reparations similar to the GI Bill, where you provide homebuyer assistance, ongoing education and health care, maybe even low-interest loans for folks who want to start businesses. There's not just one thing like a single cash payment, but a variety of programs and services that could be afforded to these individuals. How do you feel about the public reaction to the task force’s report? Well, I'm not surprised. It's America, and America has lived a lie for 400 years. This is telling the truth. As we often say, there's stories that made America, and stories America has made up. Much of what we teach in school is the stories that America has made up. This is the real telling of who America is, and a lot of folks don't want to accept it. Generational wealth is passed through land, and much of the land that's owned in this country is by folks that don't look like me. It's by folks who have benefited from slavery. It's by folks who benefited from the Homestead Act at the end of the Civil War that African Americans weren't allowed to partake in. It's by folks who are able to buy homes in neighborhoods that were redlined so African Americans couldn't purchase homes. A lot of folks want to have their head in the sand and say, “Well, that was so long ago, I didn't own slaves,” but I'm pretty sure if you've been here for over 100 years, somebody in your family either owned slaves, benefited from the slave economy, or from the Jim Crow laws that existed after slavery. So, there was a direct benefit for the Caucasian community during, after and since slavery. How do you plan to get that message to the public? Make it a requirement in school from K-12 and start educating folks on who America truly is. We continue to tell these lies: like Columbus discovering America, George Washington can’t tell a lie and all those things. We need to share that 10 of the first 12 presidents owned slaves in this country, but nobody wants to talk about that; 1,700 Congress people owned slaves, but nobody wants to talk about that. California wasn't a slave state in name only. We had a fugitive slave law. If you were brought here by your owner, you were treated as a slave. If you were brought here as a slave and you had a child, that child was a slave. We were very much a slave state until 1865. What’s the biggest roadblock to making reparations in California a reality? The hurdle is the Legislature. The hurdle is getting 21 votes in the Senate and 41 in the Assembly. That’s going to be the real test. That's when you're going to see the real allies, and it's going to require some real profiles in courage. Anything you want to add? I’m excited that reparations are being talked about, not just in California but across the country. President Biden's appointee to the U.N. [Permanent Forum on People of African Decent], Justin Hansford, is advocating strongly for reparations. They’re having that discussion now in the U.N., just as they did in 1948 regarding the Holocaust. HAPPY MONDAY AFTERNOON! Welcome to California Playbook PM, a POLITICO newsletter that serves as an afternoon temperature check of California politics and a look at what our policy reporters are watching. Got tips or suggestions? Shoot an email to cvonkaenel@politico.com or send a shout on Twitter. DMs are open!
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