Welcome to POLITICO’s West Wing Playbook, your guide to the people and power centers in the Biden administration. Send tips | Subscribe here | Email Eli | Email Lauren Many prominent Democrats have been critical of the Israeli government’s conduct of the war. But among the most persistent and surprising has been PATRICK GASPARD. As President and CEO of the Center for American Progress, Gaspard runs the most influential Democratic-allied think tank in politics, one that has historically been supportive of both Democratic administrations and the state of Israel. In that capacity, he has been willing to criticize President JOE BIDEN’s administration and been scathing in his assessment of BENJAMIN NETANYAHU. He sat down with West Wing Playbook to explain why. This interview has been edited for length and clarity. You were active in the protests against the apartheid government in South Africa. Do you see parallels between that moment and now? I have very strong memories of going to anti-apartheid demonstrations and of people much older than me shaking their fingers and saying: ‘Young man, you don’t understand. These are complicated issues and they require complicated solutions.’ Fast forward to now and Hamas commits a heinous, reprehensible act of terror on Oct. 7. But following that, we see this outsized punishment brought to bear on the Palestinian people. And suddenly I hear people saying: ‘These young people don’t understand. It’s a complicated region. It’s a complicated moment.’ I thought back to when I was 15, 16, 17, 18, 19. I knew more about what was happening in South Africa than most members of Congress did. And we didn’t have social media then to connect us to inside the war. I suspect my children and the generation younger than them probably know a whole lot more than we are giving them credit for. Shortly after the war began, you warned that if there is overwhelming punishment for Palestinians “there will be a loss of moral clarity.” Have we hit that point? In that statement, I think I also made a comparison to the U.S. following the 9/11 moment. You quoted President Biden who warned that Israel must not have a 9/11 moment. The U.S. invaded Iraq and Afghanistan and what most Americans don’t know is there were 300,000 casualties as a consequence. We got a sanitized version of the war. Twenty years later, everyone has proximity to the conflict. We don’t want to see it but can’t look away. Which is why I thought there would be ambiguity and then a sudden loss of moral clarity. Why do you believe the Biden administration doesn’t see this as clearly as you do? I’m not so sure they don’t. Go back to the very earliest statements by President Biden, he was always saying we have to be careful. Sure. But he has also consistently resisted calls for a permanent ceasefire. Tony Blinken said you can’t have a ceasefire if Hamas still exists with a stated goal to eradicate Israel. Yes. And I thought it was a mistake to grant that type or proxy to Benjamin Netanyahu. If you’re the administration thinking about this shocking moment on Oct. 7, of course you have to rally to support Israel. But you also have to consider who is at the helm of the state. We all appreciated early on that the only path to hold onto power for Benjamin Netanyahu was through extended, protracted conflict in Gaza. Do you believe Israel is a democracy under Netanyahu? When we say things like Israel is the only democracy in the region, we have to approach the issue with real care. There is clear documentary evidence of what it means to be Palestinian in Israel. The backdrop to this is a growing number of prominent Democrats being openly critical of Israel. Your old boss, President Barack Obama early on, was among them. And some took issue that Barack Obama described the circumstances in the West Bank and Gaza as an occupation, which seems to me rather anodyne. Well, I think what stood out was that there was distance between what he was saying and what Biden was. And then [Senate Majority Leader] Chuck Schumer with his speech on the floor calling for a new government in Israel. Poll after poll shows increasing and wide disapproval among Democrats for Israel’s actions in Gaza. Disapproval with a majority of independents as well. And even a pronounced slippage amongst Republicans. If you are an elected official whose name will be on the ballot in that environment, clearly you’re going to note that. You say that. But at the same time, Biden is sending 2,000 pound bombs to Israel without congressional authorization. Have you made the pitch you just said to me, to them? Anything I've said in public on this I've said to leadership in the moments I've had the opportunity to. But I’ve been in that building. When you’re the president, folks ask you to choose among a number of really bad solutions. I understand how difficult it is, especially for someone like Joe Biden, who came of age at a time when Jewish people experienced the most grievous assault on the conscience. I admire the commitment Joe Biden has to the protection of Israel and combating antisemitism. At the same time, I recognize that sometimes our leaders can have a kind of late 20th century Cold War mindset that continues to influence all policymaking. Back in November you recalled a conversation you had with a friend over the meaning of an “enduring ceasefire.” Have you come to a conclusion about what that looks like? This is difficult, but we need to talk about whether the two state solution continues to be the sole pathway to peace. I think that you ultimately get to peace and a ceasefire that is enduring if you have a state that integrates the fulsome rights of Palesrtinians and Israelis living side-by-side. You don’t see a two state solution as a plausible outcome? I firmly believe Israel must exist as a state. But I also believe Palestinians — if we are going to solve this problem — need to exist in an Israel that is inclusive of their full rights. The pushback has always been that if you have a single state, you can’t have a Jewish majority state that is democratic in Israel. I think that taking out the possibility of coexistence is, in itself, really cynical and tragic. MESSAGE US — Are you SALEM MARIAM, special assistant to the president for national security agency personnel? We want to hear from you. And we’ll keep you anonymous! Email us at westwingtips@politico.com. Did someone forward this email to you? Subscribe here!
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